HELP: Chorus Pedal Hum?

User avatar
JimPage
Top Producer
Posts: 984
Joined: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:26 am
Location: Washington DC Metro Area
Contact:

HELP: Chorus Pedal Hum?

Postby JimPage » Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:39 am

Hey!

Since my left arm is out of commission, I designed and built my pedal board and got it all together in a case. I tried it out and it sounds really great, with the exception of a hum from the Biyang chorus pedal.

Here is what is in this contraption, starting from the guitar side to the amp side:
• Boss TU-2 Tuner
• Boss GEB-7 Bass EQ
• Boss AC-2 Acoustic Simulator
• Biyang CH-8 Chorus (which is a copy of the Boss CE-2 Chorus)
• MXR Carbon Copy delay

They are daisy-chained from a Zoom AD-0006D 9v 300mA power adaptor. Luckily, all these pedals have the same power input (9volt, 2.1mm center-negative plug). I also have 9-volt batteries in each pedal.

The acoustic-simulator pedal sounds amazing when run either by itself or with the delay, and the bass EQ sounds amazing when I cut out the midrange frequencies using a V-shaped configuration on the seven bands. The bass EQ is the same as the Boss guitar EQ except it has more control of the bass frequencies than the guitar version does.

Now, this pedal board seems stage-ready, but I wonder if your keen electronics minds could come up with a way to get rid of that hum from the chorus pedal. Everything else is as quiet as can be.

This may have some bearing on the solution. When I disconnect the power cable to that Biyang chorus, and just run it from its 9v battery, it is absolutely silent. I run all the other pedals from the power supply and the chorus off the battery and everything is good.

???

--Jim
Image
• '99 Martin D-41
• '67 Mosrite Celebrity II
• '72 Mosrite Celebrity III
• '83 Tokai TST56
• '10 Hallmark Barris Krest
• '10 Hallmark 60 Custom
• '10 Hallmark Stradette
• '50s Tele Clone
• Basses: Ashbory, Hofner, 51RI Precision, 5-string, fretless

Mr. Bill
Top Producer
Posts: 678
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:15 pm
Location: Chicago, IL
Contact:

Re: HELP: Chorus Pedal Hum?

Postby Mr. Bill » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:34 pm

There might be a problem with the chorus power input section or you may have a ground loop problem.

If the chorus pedal hums when it's all by itself, then my guess is a problem with the pedal, if it only does it when used with the other pedals, then ground loop.

User avatar
Sarah93003
Master Contributor
Posts: 3810
Joined: Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:26 pm
Location: Westlake Village, CA
Contact:

Re: HELP: Chorus Pedal Hum?

Postby Sarah93003 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:35 pm

Mr. Bill wrote:There might be a problem with the chorus power input section or you may have a ground loop problem.

If the chorus pedal hums when it's all by itself, then my guess is a problem with the pedal, if it only does it when used with the other pedals, then ground loop.



I've been known to hum all by myself and I've been told it's a loopy problem. :lol:
____________________
1965 Mosrite Celebrity Prototype with Vibramute
1972 Mosrite Celebrity-III
1977 Gibson MK-53
1982 Fender Bullet
1994 Gretsch Streamliner G3155 Custom
2005 Gibson Les Paul Standard Plus
2006 Jude Les Paul 12 String

User avatar
JimPage
Top Producer
Posts: 984
Joined: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:26 am
Location: Washington DC Metro Area
Contact:

Re: HELP: Chorus Pedal Hum?

Postby JimPage » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:44 pm

Hey!

Thanks for the info. I think it might be a problem with the power supply, because when I run the pedal from just the 9v battery, no hum.

I ordered a new One-Spot power supply and also an adaptor that will allow me to plug the supply through the 9v plug if I need to.

So, we'll see!

Take care and please wish me luck!

--Jim
Image
• '99 Martin D-41
• '67 Mosrite Celebrity II
• '72 Mosrite Celebrity III
• '83 Tokai TST56
• '10 Hallmark Barris Krest
• '10 Hallmark 60 Custom
• '10 Hallmark Stradette
• '50s Tele Clone
• Basses: Ashbory, Hofner, 51RI Precision, 5-string, fretless

User avatar
Sarah93003
Master Contributor
Posts: 3810
Joined: Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:26 pm
Location: Westlake Village, CA
Contact:

Re: HELP: Chorus Pedal Hum?

Postby Sarah93003 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:26 pm

Good luck with that Jim. I have the One Spot and love it!
____________________
1965 Mosrite Celebrity Prototype with Vibramute
1972 Mosrite Celebrity-III
1977 Gibson MK-53
1982 Fender Bullet
1994 Gretsch Streamliner G3155 Custom
2005 Gibson Les Paul Standard Plus
2006 Jude Les Paul 12 String

User avatar
olrocknroller
Top Producer
Posts: 810
Joined: Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:22 pm
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: HELP: Chorus Pedal Hum?

Postby olrocknroller » Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:33 pm

Hmmmm. Let me see now... :roll:

I have had odd interferences set up between electronic units before, just because they don't like being with their neighbors. Try a different order of connection, or a larger capacity power supply...the extra unit might be slightly overloading it? I have one place where I gig that has horribly noisy power, so as a matter of practice I use a line filter/surge protector to quieten things. Ain't 'lectricity fun? But just think what we'd be playing without it!

Image

:lol:
Olrocknroller

User avatar
Veenture
Master Contributor
Posts: 4127
Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:07 pm
Location: The Netherlands
Contact:

Re: HELP: Chorus Pedal Hum?

Postby Veenture » Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:55 pm

My knowledge of electricity is too basic to offer any advice but I can tell you about this humm problem I had a little while back with my Boss GE-10 Graphic Equalizer while trying it out for the first time during a band practice last year (it operates on 220 volts).
I hadn't noticed it at home and reckoned the reason lay in the use of high volume on the amp. "When we play, we won't hear it" I suggested but my bandmates disagreed..."it's way too loud and unacceptable". A guitar tech there eventually remedied the situation after having tested all the connections of my setup first.

It turned out that by disconnecting the equalizer's ground connection (wire) it operated as quiet as a mouse! "There you go,” he said. I was happy now but at the same time also worried: "ok, but what about safety...there's that risk of a shock hazard, right?" I retorted. He told me that as long as the amp's ground is working, there's no risk in the cables leading to and from the amp :roll: "The grounding of the mains in most parts of Holland suck" he said.
Anyway, I hope you get your humm packing too, Jim!

olrocknroller, I have often said to my bandmates: "In the next life, we're going completely acoustic!" :cry:

Sarah93003 wrote:Good luck with that Jim. I have the One Spot and love it!

Guard it well Sarah :mrgreen:

User avatar
JimPage
Top Producer
Posts: 984
Joined: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:26 am
Location: Washington DC Metro Area
Contact:

Re: HELP: Chorus Pedal Hum?

Postby JimPage » Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:58 pm

Hey, olrocknroller!

GREAT PHOTO!!!

Did Semie sign that instrument, or could that possibly be a partsrite from Canada? I love the candy-apple red finish and I see a zero fret right above the Scotch tape.

Can you imagine what old Hankaroo would do if he got his hands on THAT baby?!??!?

--Jim
Image
• '99 Martin D-41
• '67 Mosrite Celebrity II
• '72 Mosrite Celebrity III
• '83 Tokai TST56
• '10 Hallmark Barris Krest
• '10 Hallmark 60 Custom
• '10 Hallmark Stradette
• '50s Tele Clone
• Basses: Ashbory, Hofner, 51RI Precision, 5-string, fretless

User avatar
Sarah93003
Master Contributor
Posts: 3810
Joined: Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:26 pm
Location: Westlake Village, CA
Contact:

Re: HELP: Chorus Pedal Hum?

Postby Sarah93003 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:09 pm

JimPage wrote:Hey, olrocknroller!

GREAT PHOTO!!!

Did Semie sign that instrument, or could that possibly be a partsrite from Canada? I love the candy-apple red finish and I see a zero fret right above the Scotch tape.

Can you imagine what old Hankaroo would do if he got his hands on THAT baby?!??!?

--Jim



Now that's funny!!
____________________
1965 Mosrite Celebrity Prototype with Vibramute
1972 Mosrite Celebrity-III
1977 Gibson MK-53
1982 Fender Bullet
1994 Gretsch Streamliner G3155 Custom
2005 Gibson Les Paul Standard Plus
2006 Jude Les Paul 12 String

User avatar
JimPage
Top Producer
Posts: 984
Joined: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:26 am
Location: Washington DC Metro Area
Contact:

Re: HELP: Chorus Pedal Hum?

Postby JimPage » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:07 am

Hey--

To answer my own question regarding how to eliminate hum, at least in the situation with which I was faced, is this:
http://www.visualsound.net/index.php/pr ... wer_supply

The Visual Sound 1 Spot power supply is what I ordered new in the box from an eBay vendor for $22, including shipping, in hopes it would silence the severe hum my Biyang Chorus Pedal was introducing into my pedal board, as described in my original post.

There were pedalboard power supplies costing over $200 that I was considering, but, being a cheap fellow, I decided to try the 1 Spot first. I am so happy that I did, because it totally eliminated any unwanted noise, at least in the band practice situation where I tested it last night. The pedalboard hum was absolutely gone and all five pedals worked and sounded great.

This, of course, doesn't mean that it will work this well in all situations, but I was astonished at how well it worked in this one.

--Jim
Image
• '99 Martin D-41
• '67 Mosrite Celebrity II
• '72 Mosrite Celebrity III
• '83 Tokai TST56
• '10 Hallmark Barris Krest
• '10 Hallmark 60 Custom
• '10 Hallmark Stradette
• '50s Tele Clone
• Basses: Ashbory, Hofner, 51RI Precision, 5-string, fretless


Return to “Amp Tech Q&A and Repair Shop”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 83 guests